rich edson is at the white house. all right, rich, are any of these people attending these meetings, this meeting today, are any of them saying yeah, go over the cliff, big tax increases and big spending cuts, that's what we want, anybody there saying that? rich: stuart, there is representation from the center on budget and policy priorities. a couple of months ago this group released a report saying if democrats and policymakers could not get concessions on tax increases and other concessions, then it would be best to allow the fiscal cliff to hit so they could get a better deal in january or february. they argue that it is not a cliff. it is more of a fiscal slope that will gradually hit the economy. stuart: that's not the less policy, go over the cliff, please, tax, taxx tax and cut spending, that's not their policy, that's a suggested negotiating position if they can't come to a deal, that's it, isn't it? rich: absolutely. the other labor groups are looking for tax increases on the wealthy and they don't want the